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Published on GitHub in February 2024 as part of Martti Malmi's testimony in the COPA v. Wright trial
往 Drupal 这种更偏网页发布 CMS 类型的方向发展是个好主意。这更合适，也能做出比 wiki 更好看的网站。我想我之前对 wiki 的看法错了。只有少数特定的人会做网站设计工作，这些人可以另外拥有一个登录账号。在这种情况下，与论坛集成登录并不太重要。出于安全考虑，我几乎更愿意使用不同的登录账号，也不愿不断用同一个可能会让网站被攻陷的账号检查论坛。
Drupal 的论坛没有那些 wiki 那么糟，但距离我想用的东西还差得很远。
zetaboards 的优缺点：
优点：
- 我们不用担心带宽
- 他们负责后端管理和安全补丁
缺点：
- 没有 SSL
- 缺乏隐私，一切都会被记录
- 无法控制 php 代码进行定制
- 没有 CAPTCHA，而且如果他们以后加上，可能会是无法接受的 flash
- 广告（以后如果我们足够在意，可以付费去掉）
- 始终存在他们因为某个琐碎理由突然取消网站的风险
你认为更换 wiki 有什么好处？ 我能想到的有： SSL 摆脱 sourceforge 不可靠的托管 不再让 sourceforge 记录一切
我认为最大的优点是拥有一个统一的网站，这样 wiki 和论坛就不需要分别注册账号，而且各项功能也能很好地与主网站本身集成。没有广告也是一个优点。
论坛功能和 bitweaver 的差不多一样弱。我们需要功能完整的论坛软件来做这件事。
Drupal 的论坛功能怎么样？地址： https://174.143.149.98/drupal/。CMS 总体上看起来比 TikiWiki 更好、更简单。如果论坛不够好，我们当然可以使用 phpBB 之类的专用论坛软件。
我现在的优先事项是把论坛建起来，可以用 phpBB 或类似的软件。 你觉得 zetaboards 这个选项怎么样？我们要继续用它吗？
其他方面都可以，但广告和没有 SSL 是减分项。
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That's a good idea to go in a more web-publishing CMS type direction like Drupal. That's a better fit and can produce a better looking website than a wiki. I think I was wrong about wiki. Only a few specific people will do any website design work and those people can go ahead and have a separate login. In that case, login integration with the forum doesn't matter much. For security, I'd almost rather have a different login than be constantly checking the forum with the same login that could pwn the website.
Drupal's forum is less bad than the wikis, but still a long way from something I would want to use.
zetaboards pros and cons:
pros:
- we don't have to worry about bandwidth
- they handle the backend management and security patches
con:
- lack of SSL
- lack of privacy, everything is logged
- lack of control over the php code for customization
- no CAPTCHA, and if they add one later it might be unacceptable flash
- ads (could pay to get rid of them later if we care enough)
- there's always the risk they abruptly cancel the site for some petty reason
What do you see as the benefits of switching the wiki? Some I can think of: SSL get away from sourceforge's unreliable hosting everything not logged by sourceforge
I think the biggest advantage is having a single site so you don't need a separate account for the wiki and the forum, and the functionalities are also nicely integrated with the main site itself. Also being ad-free is a plus.
The forum feature is about as weak as bitweaver. We need a full blown forum software for that.
How about Drupal's forum functionality? Address: https://174.143.149.98/drupal/. The CMS in general looks better and simpler than TikiWiki. If the forum's not good enough, then we can of course use a specialized forum software like phpBB.
My priority right now is to get a forum going, either phpBB or similar. What do you think of the zetaboards option? Should we go ahead with that?
Otherwise fine, but the ads and the lack of SSL are a minus.